It’s very difficult, because when I was in government my husband used to deal with all the traditional politicians, and he was a great help to me. She was putting out a literary magazine in California the last I heard. I think in retrospect it was wrong because I did not co-opt them and I alienated some of my own supporters. How do you succeed? So I went back really at the right time. It’s a game of mathematics. What do you see ahead for yourself? Benazir Bhutto was born June 21, 1953, in Karachi, SE Pakistan, the eldest child of former premier Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. And there was a lot of hue and cry against the population program, but we did it by recruiting 50,000 women from different villages, and training them in three-month installments. In the next five years he’ll be 17 and go off to college and then get a job and get married and have his own home. I thought my mother would be the prime minister, and that I’d work for her to be the prime minister, and that’s what I did. I’d stay, but I still didn’t think I’d ever be prime minister. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (1928 -1979), the ninth Prime Minister of Pakistan, from 1973-1977, and the fourth President of Pakistan, from 1971-1973, and father of Benazir Bhutto. How much are you gaining? As the daughter of the late Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her husband Asif Ali Zardari, Bakhtawar is an heiress to one of the most famous political dynasties of Pakistan. Benazir Bhutto: In life there are challenges, but I think leadership is very much predicated on the capacity to absorb defeat and overcome it. Benazir Bhutto’s father was the politician Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was the leader of Pakistan from 1971 until 1977, when he was overthrown by the military. Benazir Bhutto: I think the most profound influence in my formative years was the years I spent at Harvard. Kate Millet had just written her book and I remember all the discussions we’d have about which of us women would succeed. She should be killed, she should be assassinated, she has committed heresy!” So going from heresy to seeing it happen! So there is a lack of growth of regional institutions that could deal with regional violence and leave the global problems or the strategic problems to the more global powers. Then it was more an age where we as individuals subordinate ourselves to the larger communal good. And people tell me, “Why are you still idealistic and optimistic?” And I say, “Because there could be ten people who are bad, but there are 90 people who are good.”, You do have to be practical, so there are times when you make compromises, not because you want to, but that’s how the political mathematics plays out. Are there other women leaders in Pakistan today who could be your successor? Now I realize that you have to listen to people and what they are saying we ought to be doing, because that’s the feedback. While in office, she brought electricity to the countryside and built schools all over the country. Although Benazir Bhutto did not live to see these developments, the party she led and the causes she championed still play a major role in the political life of contemporary Pakistan. Even my own husband, when he married me, he thought I was under delusions that I could beat a military dictator, and he thought that, “When she wakes up and finds out that it’s all wrong and she can’t, then I’ll be there to console her.” Little knowing that I was the one who had to console him when I won. Directed by Duane Baughman, Johnny O'Hara. More than that, she was the first woman ever to serve as prime minister of an Islamic country, but the road that brought her to power had already led through exile, imprisonment and devastating personal tragedy. So from that moment I realized that God is always with one, so what gave me the faith and sustenance was my belief that God places a burden on people to bear and He places only that burden which they can bear. With Aseefa Bhutto Zardari, Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, Asif Ali Zardari. Bhutto was born at the Pinto's Nursing Home on 21 June 1953 in Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan. First I did it for democracy, because that was my father’s agenda and it was also mine as a youth. She had three siblings, one sister, Sanam Bhutto, and two younger brothers, Murtaza Bhutto and Shahnawaz Bhutto. So to pass the time I started passing it in prayer. And we must emotionally protect ourselves from unfair, often vicious attacks made on us via the male members of our family. I wish I had tackled the so-called corruption issues more deeply. Benazir Bhutto was killed in a suicide blast in Rawalpindi’s Liaquat Bagh on December 27, 2007, a few months after her return to Pakistan after eight years of political exile in London. I would really realize that when I won, and I got so many letters from other Muslim women, and more than that, from women within my own country who felt that it was now decent to work. Benazir Bhutto doesn't cease to exist the moment she gets married. The news has been confirmed by both the bride as well as the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP). What are you looking forward to? Close by sat Mazhar Ali Khan, father of famous Pakistani writer Tariq Ali, plus a host of other VIPs and friends. There was a lot of pressure on the military dictator, but we just weren’t ready to compromise. And I remember very much Mother Eugene used to teach us literature and poetry, and to reach for the moon, and the lodestar, and inspiring us. And it is up to you whether you make a good picture or whether you make a bad picture. So it was really at that time a sense of vindicating them rather than having my own agenda. He was clinging to the car, and I always felt, after that, that perhaps people need to have their dignity and to die in peace rather than to be taken to strange clinics. They want to milk the Bhutto name, both Benazir Bhutto and her father, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. The photo that shows Bakhtawar dressed ina pink-coloured outfit was paired with an embroidered shawl. Material, physical, everything. In Oman now they have started having women parliamentarians, and I think they may be permitting them in local elections in Kuwait and some of the other Middle Eastern countries. Bakhtawar Bhutto-Zardari, the daughter of former Pakistan president Asif Ali Zardari and late Pakistan prime minister Benazir Bhutto, got engaged to Mahmood Chaudhary on November 27. Did you have any doubts about what a woman could accomplish in a Muslim country? I remember starting out with King Alfred of England, and the cakes that he burned when he got lost and was taken in and given refuge. A. Bhutto for the Simla talks in 1972. I remember people walking barefoot and bare-backed because of the poverty. I used to meet my party people, I used to meet poor people in the villages, and they were all very happy because we were doing poverty alleviation and so on. How did the years at Harvard affect you or influence you? The others didn’t like to sit down and do their homework, but I loved doing it. That would be nice. So if it was just power I think it would be very empty. It was a very strange world of divisions, and it liberated women. I remember once we came to England. Benazir Bhutto once quoted to have said, ‘‘I have led an unusual life. So really one becomes a prisoner. It was an era when people used to go shooting and hunting. You put those down and you look at it and you say, “Well okay, the gains are so much; if this is the price that has to be paid, let’s pay it.”. And Asif Ali Zardari - her father, whom she calls “Baba”, has faced years and years of jail. So I feel a great empathy now when there is a rediscovering of the way — of how people should be allowed to pass away. Two of her uncles (Shah Nawaz Bhutto in July 1985 - and Murtaza Bhutto on 20 September 1996) have been murdered. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Benazir’s father and President of the Republic of Pakistan, was deposed in 1977 after the military coup by General Muhammad Zia ul-Haq. Otherwise we never have the time. One has to take it, I learned that right after my first election. My experience has made me a more inclusive person, not inclusive to the margins, but inclusive to those people who have differences with us but who are still moderates, so I tried to be more inclusive. And meantime in Pakistan my father had been trying to empower the ordinary Pakistanis and telling them that they could break free of the shackles of feudalism and a military industrial complex. Later that year she returned to Pakistan, where her father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, had been elected Prime Minister, but days after her arrival, the military seized power and her father was imprisoned. It was then onto the United Kingdom to study at Oxford f… So I also tried to be very aggressive and warmongering in my second term to try and co-opt my opposition. She initiated an anti-corruption campaign, and in 1993 was re-elected as Prime Minister. After a campaign rally in Rawalpindi, a gunman fired at her car before detonating a bomb, killing himself and more than 20 bystanders. And he fell very ill, so my mother took him — he was again shoeless and backless — and my mother took him inside the house and said, you know, “What do you want, or whatever, to make you feel better?” And I remember he wanted a Coca-Cola. Benazir Bhutto takes over the leadership of the party of Pakistan’s Peoples Party (PPP) after the military takeover toppled the government of her father, after that she won the election of 1988 and became the first female Prime Minister of Pakistan and gave the message to the world of Muslim nation that a woman can also run the government. Benazir Bhutto’s Parents – Zulfikar Ali Bhutto & Begum Nusrat Ispahani. BSF detects underground tunnel in J&K's Kathua; Is Pakistan trying to infiltrate India. I’d seen the assassination of Sheikh Mujibur in Bangladesh, and maybe there was just some kind of subconscious fear of what politics could bring, so I didn’t want to do it. They were Sunni Muslims, although Nusrat had been born into a Shia Muslimfamily befor… Ultimately there will be critics but one has to do what is right as long as the majority of people support that. I’m not a fundamentalist but I am very devout, and I believe that God places a burden on one’s shoulders that he feels that you can bear. There were two moments, let us say, when it happened. The second thing was the love of ordinary people. The whole inspiration behind colonialism had been to discover the world and achieve more. What It Takes is an audio podcast produced by the American Academy of Achievement featuring intimate, revealing conversations with influential leaders in the diverse fields of endeavor: public service, science and exploration, sports, technology, business, arts and humanities, and justice. Bhutto was the first woman elected to lead a Muslim state, having twice been Prime Minister of Pakistan (1988–1990 & 1993-1996). First they would train for three months. And suddenly I realized they can take everyone away. He would tell me that “My daughter is going to make me more proud than Indira Ghandi made her father.” So for me it was normal for daughters to succeed. Benazir Bhutto: I’d tell them, “If you believe in something, go for it, but know that when you go for it there’s a price to be paid. It was also a time when Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King and idealism — Cesar Chavez and the grape boycott from California, labor rights. Weeks before a national election in which Benazir Bhutto and her party were expected to prevail, she was assassinated by a suicide bomber. With Aseefa Bhutto Zardari, Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, Asif Ali Zardari. I think that as nation states begin to become weaker because of the force of globalization, there will be a greater reversion to ethnicity and to religious violence. Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan 1977-1984. Also, when I was in prison I became very devout. As a woman, as a politician, as a leader, how much room is there for idealism in political leadership and achieving your goals? Her mother, Nusrat Bhutto, was elected to parliament in the 1980s and was a leader of the democratic opposition. I think it is very, very important to have ideals, because when one has ideals one thinks the suffering is worth it. My father was so important to me, and he thought a woman could succeed. Each individual is given life once to lead, and each individual deserves a chance to succeed, especially if they are prepared to work hard. Benazir Bhutto: If my children go into politics? We all knew kickbacks must be taken. That generation that grew up in the last decade, used to seeing me as prime minister or as leader of the opposition, has now seen Wajed winning in Bangladesh and Mrs. Çiller in Turkey, and other Muslim countries, this has had an impact on the Muslim world. So I have these ambiguous feelings, “Is it right or not?” But I’ve always had a strong sense of duty, so I feel that I ought to go and put myself over as a candidate. They can be there if there’s a strategic concern, but they can’t be there everywhere. If it was just power, how could one — politics is an obsession. In the process, she was subjected to repeated detentions, intimidation, coercion as well as physical and mental hardships to abandon her struggle. The assassination of Benazir Bhutto took place on 27 December 2007 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. It was the time of McGovern running, and President Nixon’s resignation. Fatima Bhutto grow up in Karachi and Syria and got Bachelors degree from Barnard College and master degree from University of London. But I think we need to also make it easier for women to win elections in Pakistan, and that’s why we have proposed affirmative action: a kind of list system where, on the basis of votes that each party gets, they can then list about 25 percent or 33 percent women to bring more women into parliament. Later that year, President Musharraf resigned, and Asif Ali Zardari was elected President of Pakistan. I would certainly work towards it if life and fate and my people gave me that opportunity. I was very studious. Now the world has changed much more. But at the same time we got the three years to eliminate polio, to build schools and electrify villages. Bhutto began facing considerable criticism and increasing unpopularity as his term progressed. Photo: Twitter/@MediaCellPPP I had faith in myself, but at that stage I didn’t want to, because I had seen the assassination attempts on my father. No man will want to marry her.” So all the time, for her, success depended on having a good catch as a husband, and having children. I grew up at a time when colonialism had just ended. Then he was unjustly hanged by a military dictator. I said, “Why can’t we change our presidents?” because I saw Watergate happening and President Nixon being impeached. Within months he was jailed over a murder case and sentenced to hang by General Zia-ul-Haq. Little things or big things, you look back and you say, “I wish I had done that a different way.” Much more critical to my own life was my failure to understand the world is moving towards transparency. How have you dealt with these enormous obstacles and challenges in your life? The first time I caught a plane and was reintroduced to the real world, one of the air hostesses just saw me and she hugged me and she said that, “You know it was during your time that my brother got a job and changed our family’s life.” Then I remember that when I reached Karachi — I was going home — the whole union had gathered, and the whole union received me and they threw rose petals all over me. She wrote that Benazir had her father's ring copied when she was married to Asif Ali Zardari. How do you deal with that kind of resistance? We’ve enjoyed talking to you. According to Dawn, the shawl has two palls that narrate two stories. The other thing I learned, in the past when I used to meet people I used to want to tell them what we were doing. So you took all of this back to Pakistan with you? People need peace and they need opportunity, in Pakistan and everywhere else. Benazir Bhutto became prime minister of Pakistan in 1988. A military coup drove her from the country yet again, but after more than eight years in exile, Bhutto returned to Pakistan in 2007. We’ve always been hounded, or we’re governing. I thought I had to prove I was as tough as a man because I was in a man’s world. According to reports, the gala ceremony was attended by 100-150 guests, including Bakhtawar's father, Asif Ali Zardari, who was admitted to a hospital in October. The video shows Bakhtawar arriving for the ceremony with her father Asif Zardari and younger sister Asifa. But my mother got sick and actually she had lung cancer, but we didn’t know she was getting Alzheimer’s. So when the burden grows heavy I turn to God and say, “God, don’t let it be so heavy that I cannot put up with it.” So I would say that in solitary confinement when I had nobody to talk to. The shawl, which happens to be the handiwork of designer Nida Azwer, features Benazir's photo and also narratesBakhtawar's life story in pictures. He founded the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) and was prime minister from 1971 to 1977. She was born with silver spoon in her mouth. I saw the power of democracy. At 35, she was one of the youngest chief executives in the world, and the first woman to serve as prime minister in an Islamic country. Whereas for my father, he broke free of those constraints, and he insisted that I have an education. And suddenly I found that since mommy was away and the whole party was about to collapse unless I was there, so I started looking after the party at that stage. Her career has been celebrated as a triumph for women in the Muslim world and for the global fight against Islamic extremism. Why don’t you go and live in London or Paris or Switzerland or Washington, and you are well taken care of, and have some happiness because you have seen too much suffering.” I reached out through the prison bars, and I remember grasping his hands and saying, “No, papa, I will continue the struggle that you began for democracy.”. In the autumn of 2007, in the face of death threats from radical Islamists, and the hostility of the government, Benazir Bhutto and her husband returned to their native country. The Social Justice iBook opens up the compelling, inspiring and selfless world of social justice, giving readers a better understanding of how empowering others, promoting equality and exposing injustice can change the very fabric of our society. I fear the 21st Century could witness a period of contradiction where there is the greatest era of peace — the super power rivalry having gone — but there is a lot of localized violence. She has committed heresy!”. You know, Massachusetts was the only state that voted for McGovern, so it showed how idealistic we were compared to the rest of the world. Following the ceremony, Bakhtawar shared a picture of herself and her fiance Mahmood Choudhry, along with a portrait of her late mother Benazir Bhutto in the background. A Bhutto re-election bid failed in 1997, and the next elected government, headed by the more conservative Nawaz Sharif, was overthrown by the military. It was a very privileged life that we led with huge homes and scores of staff with everything looked after. After the tragic execution of her father, Benazir Bhutto joined the fight against the military dictatorship. This man had come to our home. She belongs to a political and landlord family. At that time many women still thought that their objective in life was to go and be married, and not so much to have a career. There would be people saying, “Women are second class citizens, women don’t have the same rights as men, and how can you think that people will elect you?” My father would say, “My daughter will be making me more proud.” I always felt that I could become prime minister if I wanted to. They say in politics there will be the appointed and the disappointed. So I was very much into saving the world. And the first time — you know, you’re spoiled as prime minister, you have your own planes to go and everything like that, you don’t catch passenger planes or go through immigration — you know, security checks. Benazir Bhutto: It was not sudden. Now in reflection, I would like to ask him, “What made you do things differently?”. But people in the urban middle classes were very unhappy, and I realize now that I should have been out more meeting people who worked with us, or meeting people who were the representatives of organized groups. Following the ceremony, Bakhtawar shared a picture of herself and her fiance Mahmood Choudhry, along with a portrait of her late mother Benazir Bhutto in the background. Directed by Duane Baughman, Johnny O'Hara. I’d go to other people’s homes, and I remember a friend of mine — they couldn’t eat food until the brothers had finished, and the leftovers would be given to the daughters. I have buried a father martyred at the age 50 and two brothers killed in the prime age of their lives. When my parents would leave the house they’d tell me, “Take care of the other kids.” I’d be only three and my youngest sister would be one but I still remember, “Take care of the kids.”. It was very inspirational and motivational that one could conquer the moon and the stars if one reached out. Benazir Bhutto: My hope is really for a world of peace that provides people opportunities to prosper. And he was very sick and my mother wanted to send him to the doctor, and I remember he didn’t want to go to the doctor. I had nothing. Benazir Bhutto was compelled to join politics when her prime minister father, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, was ousted in a military coup, jailed and executed. Pakistan's first woman prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, was a trailblazer who faced many trials and tribulations in her political career.